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C.H.'s avatar

Goes to show how truly mad all of this is.

And so many are now accultured to immediate gratification that they see nothing wrong with "Warp Speed" drug development especially in the context of "we have to do something!"

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Stoichastic's avatar

I cannot understand how people call these treatments vaccines, when they have to be administered every 3-4 months.

How can that ever make sense?

It's cultish. That's the only explanation that fits. Take this holy communion to be cleansed of your original sin.

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C.H.'s avatar

Yes, the fact that boosters went from possibly being annual/every 12 months, to 8 months, then 6 months (Israel), then 5 months (Israel) and now 3-4 months (UK, Austria, Germany, and I think somewhat allowed in the US) sort of proves Igor Chudov right in saying that the booster periods will keep halving til basically infinity. '

Also note that communion is something that can be taken up to twice a day in the Catholic Church I believe and is often weekly in Anglican churches.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

I don't understand how they call them vaccines when they don't provide "sterilizing immunity." Vaccines *by definition* were supposed to prevent disease & prevent transmission of the disease. These do neither. They do, however, damage the innate immune system, possibly permanently.

The WHO, CDC & NIH quite literally changed the definition of "vaccine" on their websites from prevention of disease & transmission to "preventive treatment" in order to accommodate them.

The explanation that fits is "follow the money." This is a huge money & power grab by Big Money via Big Pharma & Big Tech.

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Stoichastic's avatar

I said exactly the same thing - these vaccines, unlike MMR, etc are not sterilizing - and immediately people were asking me how they make you sterile.

The lack of knowledge / understanding in social media land is breath taking.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

😂 well at least it opens the discussion.

For newcomers to medical/science discussion of immunity, a "sterilizing vaccine" prevents infection & transmission in all but the immunocompromised (who are unable to mount an effective immune response at all).

An example would be the measles vaccine, which confers lifelong immunity.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

Sign at my local bar; Alcohol Kills Slowly, but What's the Hurry? .....well, seems they are now in a hurry...

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MOMinator's avatar

Wow. Thank you for this.

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Jessica Funk's avatar

The failures of the CD8+ T cells is my biggest concern for those who survive the shots (avoid death). Our immune system is extremely complex and it is an epic failure on the part of 'the science' community to inject this crap without knowing long term impact.

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Stoichastic's avatar

As someone who has watched friends

0. Brag about being boosted over a month ago (rare in Australia)

1. get vaccinated immediately

2. resist until they had to for their job but will (they say) resist boosters

3. continue to resist

I have to say I am concerned for any vaccinated who have pre-existing complications / health issues.

Alas, there appears to be no way to elicit a groundswell of support against this medical intervention except by widespread vaccine injury? How else will it happen unless it becomes a personal problem? I am stumped to find an alternative.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Everybody should learn biology and physiology -- the complexity of life, and its fragility -- are nothing short of wondrous.

As a retired med lab tech, I can give a 1. simple overview of the immune system, 2. why these pseudo-vaxxes are destined to failure, & 3. why nobody has ever been able to produce a vax for coronavaxes (and likely never will).

I'll start with # 3 since it's the simplist:

There are 3 basic parts to a coronavirus: its genetic material (rna or dna), the protein nucleocapsid ( the container that holds & protects it), and the protein spike (that binds & opens the 'door' to the target cell).

Made of numerous types of proteins, the nucleocapsid is very stable, ie it doesn't mutate much or at all. It can't or it would fail to protect its cargo.

The spike, as we all know by now, is also made of several types of proteins. The specific areas on the spike that bind are called "epitopes". Unlike the nucleocapsid, the spike, including its epitopes, is *extremely* mutagenic. This enables it to optimize its binding to targets & expand the different types of targets to bind to.

Natural immunity develops antibodies to proteins on the entire surface of the virus, both the nucleocapsid & the spike. Even if the spike mutates to a point where antibodies no longer fit the spike proteins, antibodies against the nucleocapsid will still be effective.

Every attempt at vaccinating coronaviruses has failed because it mutates & spreads faster than we can possibly produce & distribute a vax against it against.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Quick overview of immune system:

There are 2 fundamental sides to the immune system-- innate (born functional) and adaptive (develops over experience).

The innate system includes mechanical barriers (skin, mucus which traps pathogens), tears that wash then away, several types of white cells that recognize self/nonself (phagocytes that 'eat' virions & bacteria; granulocytes that contain toxins, IGA & IGM (imnunoglobulins that activate inflammation, fever, & communications within the system via "complement & cytokine protein pathways).

Respiratory infections are 1st attacked within the nasal passages by the innate immune system. IGA resides within the mucus membrane & mucus, which traps pathogens for expulsion via sneezing, coughing or swallowing; IGM exists throughout our body.

The majority of the time, pathogens are expelled on exposure, before infection occurs. (It is not an infection until the pathogen gains entry into a cell & begins replicating).

It is only after infection that the adaptive immune system comes to the rescue.

More later...

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

The adaptive immune system consists of lymph cells & the lymph system. Lymph cells are made in the bone marrow iirc of the larger long bones. There are 2 primary types of Lymph cells: B-lymphs which remain in the marrow thru maturity until they star circulating, & T-lymphs which migrate via the the lymph system to the thymus gland, where they mature.

While in the thymus, T-lymphs subdivide into 3 groups: T-helpers/regulatory (involved with complement & cytokine responses), T-killers, & T-memory.

B-cells produce antibodies that bind to pathogen surface antigens (proteins), preventing entry i to the cell.

B-memory cells bring back a memory of the pathogen to the bone marrow.

Both of the primary types of lymph cells subdivide into smaller groups of various tasks they perform.

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called "epitopes". Unlike the nucleocapsid, the spike, including its epitopes, is *extremely* mutagenic. This enables it to optimize its binding to targets & expand the different types of targets to bind to.

Natural immunity develops antibodies to proteins on the entire surface of the virus, both the nucleocapsid & the spike. Even if the spike mutates to a point where antibodies no longer fit the spike proteins, antibodies against the nucleocapsid will still be effective.

Every attempt at vaccinating coronaviruses has failed because it mutates & spreads faster than we can possibly produce & distribute a vax against it .

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